Gee I dislike Trolls.

I’d like to think that I have posted both professionally and with respect for all parties included thus far in this forum, whether they deserve it or not.

I too am still waiting for evidence of misleading marketing that exists TODAY, which implies ACS membership will/might help a visa application???

All official brochures, forms and guides to do with Immigration should be able to be found on http://www.immi.gov.au. There ones about occupations in demand, official bodies who can conduct skills assessments, etc, etc. Yet I have found nothting the evidences the “misleading marketing” allegation. I have also searched the ACS website. Nothing. Come on – put up or shut up.

Phil has made a commitment to fix any misleading marketing above:
http://beastorbuddha.com/2010/02/02/securus-global-about-to-get-an-acs-member-no-joke/#comment-7560

I’m sure this includes advertising that could be misconstrueded (sp?).

If there are migration agents providing incorrect information, then that is out of the ACS’ control.

If I personally were applying for a visa to work in another country as an ICT professional, I _personally_ would join their local/national professional body that represents ICT individuals, especially if I could get it for half price, which is the case here in Australia. Well, it works out to about half price after you take into account the discount for doing the skills assessment as a professional MACS.

Then, if I failed to see value in maintaining my membership of said professional body, I would do what all too many past ACS members (both domestic and international) have done and let my membership lapse. This is the real problem facing the ACS today and one which is starting to be addressed by people who are committed to doing something about it. But remember, nothing worthwhile in life comes easily…

This is to Mr Peter Griffith of Adelaide South Australia. (I thought I’d outline a brief history of your home state & reasons why you are a pompous gimp.)

1836: Site for Adelaide chosen by Colonel William Light beside the River Torrens. (Because of it’s geographical location, the River Murray’s draining out the arse-end of Aus, its pious attitudes & bizarre goings on, Adelaide will later become colloquially known by the rest of Australia as “Adelaide: the arsehole of Australia.”)

1837: Colonel Light completes survey of Adelaide city centre and designs the city’s grid layout. (The fact that the city was designed and surveyed by a free man, as opposed to convicts, lends cause to many South Australians to falsely believe they are somehow better than all other of Australians. They are wrong, but this is where the snobbery of Peter Griffith etc has it’s origins.)

1862: John McDouall Stuart successfully crosses the continent from north to south on his sixth attempt. Despite nearly killing himself in the process, it was not a bad effort, even for a South Australian.

1872: The General Post Office opened. Adelaide became first Australian capital linked to Imperial London with completion of the Overland Telegraph from Adelaide to Darwin. (This pleases South Australians greatly, as they had a direct phone link to the “motherland”. South Australians continue to speak with a pompous, pommy accent. To this very day, they continue to believe they are more a part of England than Australia.)

1881: Coopers Brewery is established. (Coopers & Grange continue to be the only decent things ever to be produced by SA.)

1901: Adelaide became a state capital upon the establishment of the Commonwealth of Australia on 1 January. The Duke and Duchess of York visit. People of Adelaide in raptures over a visit from their royalty. They bung on their strange pommy accent for the visit. By this time, the remainder of Australia had developed it’s unique Aussie twang.

1927: Duke and Duchess of York visit yet again, to reaffirm their love of the people of South Australia, who have retained & nurtured the finest British traditions of snobbery.

1954: Queen Elizabeth II makes first sovereign visit to Adelaide. Ditto remarks of 1927 & 1901, in other words, groundhog day for the snobs of SA.

1955: Town of Elizabeth officially proclaimed, as a suckhole gesture to British Royalty.

1958: Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, visits Adelaide to thank them for naming a town after her progeny. Ditto remarks of 1954, 1927 & 1901.

1963: Queen Elizabeth II visits Adelaide. (Are we beginning to see a pattern here ?)

1967: Don Dunstan, wearing the very finest of pink jumpsuits, becomes SA’s premier. Aside from being snobs, they are also weirdos, as we shall see later.

1975: The International Equestrian Exposition is held in Adelaide and attended by Princess Anne. Punters debated which looked more like a horse, Princess Anne or her horse.

1978: The remains of seven women are found in bushland near Truro. SA’s pattern of weirdo behavior is beginning to emerge.

1981: Prince Charles visits Adelaide. He is interviewed as a suspect for the Truro murders, but despite regularly visiting SA (British royalty’s other homeland), he claims he was not in SA at that particular time.

1986: Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip visit Adelaide. They are very pleased but surprised to observe that the elitist pommy accent is still being used by South Australians.

1999: Eight bodies are found in a disused bank volt in barrells in Snowtown, further bodies were later found. Weirdos !

2010: Peter Griffith of the Adelaide branch of the ACS emerges. Makes some unfounded but predictably pious remarks, reflecting his background as a stuck-up person from Adelaide.

2010: The Knuckle considers joining the Facebook Special interest group known as “Adelaide…The asshole of Australia” http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&viewas=0&gid=31718577494

South Australia = Proof Tasmanians can swim

Argy,

Bloody hell are you coming round a little? has your guard dropped? or has the wheels fallen of the ACS high horse? An olive branch or a poisoned challis? I’m all for a broader discussion on the values of the ACS v anything else. i.e. (AISA, ISACA, ISC2, CISSP) etc however;

I will not and cannot join a group that does not have democratically elected boards and or management at both the state and federal levels, you have had a series of Pious Presidents who by your own rules can be autocratic and run off at the mouth when and where they like.
Seriously your management smacks of cronyism in an effort to push your own agendas supported by appointing people who share your/that agenda. I have seen yours and others plea “if you don’t like it join and help us change” 400 against 4000 (numbers can be debated) I keep harping on about your approach, Nationalistic and Supremacist in your outlook and how it is portrayed in this forum (Peter Griffith does you no favours and much collateral damage), until you change FORGET IT.

Your = ACS, not you directly Phil, you wouldn’t be like that

Please let this thread die already. It’s game set and match. Drazen is the best ever. ACS Suck, Draz, Mate, you should be their new president!

Best,

Wade

Curious at the source of the suggestion that ACS has no democratically elected boards. I suggest whoever thinks that read the ACS Rules and National Regulations and identify which of the various election processes prescribed there are not democratic processes. Here’s the link to help anyone who might inadvertently forget to do their homework before shooting their mouth off:
http://www.acs.org.au/index.cfm?action=show&conID=acsrules

No worries Phillip.
Of interest, Drazen rang me this morning when I was on my to our SA ACS IT Security Special Interest Group.
It’s a Joint SIG between ACS and ISACA.
This month the program was arranged by the Director for IT Security in the State Government Office of the CIO.
The event was sponsored by Ernst and Young who flew their partner responsible for Forensics over from Melbourne. He gave an excellent presentation on new IT development effect on Forensics and collection of evidence.

EY also flew a speaker from Canberra based Cert Australia (formerly AusCert) who told us of the new roles of Cert Australia, including their role in Cyber Security for both Government and Defence.

The IT Security SIG was formed as a further development relating to the IT Security Accreditation Program developed by ACS Education and ISACA for Government IT staff working in IT Security.

Wish you luck in getting a similar SIG going in NSW.

Cheers

PG

General members elect their Branch Executive Committee. Each Branch Executive Committee elects two of its members to be National Congressional Representatives. Congress, sitting as an electroal college, elects the Management Committee (National Board) and National Office Bearers. No-one is permitted to serve for more than two terms. The President may not serve for more than one consecutive term and cannot stand for re-election until there have been two successors.

Thanks FB. Can we close this discussion off now?

Am sure the discussion will move elsewhere as it always does.

As much as it seems no one gives ground, I’d like to think there are positives from both sides to come from this, from people airing their thoughts and grievances. Lets see how things pan out.

DD